Mar 15, 2023 County Board of Education

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GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

IT'S 6:01 P.M.

HERE IN THE CITY OF SOUTHLAKE CITY HALL BUILDING.

WELCOME TO THE SIGN BOARD MEETING FOR MARCH 9TH, 2023.

WE'RE NOT HAVING A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING THIS EVENING.

NO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, ALTHOUGH IT SOUNDS LIKE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW WE WILL HAVE ITEMS ON THAT AGENDA.

SO IT'S JUST SIGN BOARD THIS EVENING, A COUPLE OF ITEMS. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD IN THE SPIRIT OF BEING EFFICIENT HERE, LAUNCH RIGHT INTO IT.

[C. Roll Call (Including Action on Absences if Necessary)]

THANK YOU.

LET'S GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING, CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR FEBRUARY 9TH SIGN BOARD MEETING.

WE'VE ALL BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THOSE.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE, PLEASE, AND MOTION PASSES. HOLD ON, I DON'T HAVE MY SCREEN UP HERE YET.

I WAS GOING TO SAY, HOLD ON. I KNEW WE WERE ONE VOTE SHORT.

YEAH, I KNOW YOU'RE CRITICAL OF SIGNS, BUT WE CAN AT LEAST CONSIDER AND APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING, EVEN IF WE DON'T LIKE THEM.

[D. Set the Agenda]

OKAY. LET'S ALL I THINK TRY TO VOTE AGAIN IF YOU CAN.

I'M SEEING FOUR, FIVE, 6-0.

YEP. WE GOT IT DONE. OKAY.

THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.

SIGN VARIANCE FOR ACADIA SERVICES LOCATED ON SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION.

YES. GOOD EVENING.

THIS IS A SIGN VARIANCE CASE SV23-0003.

IMAGE 212 ON BEHALF OF ARCADIA SERVICE IS REQUESTING VARIANCES TO SIGN ORDINANCE NUMBER 704 FOR A SINGLE ATTACHED BUILDING SIGN FOR ACADIA SERVICES AND ACADIA SERVICES IS LOCATED AT 351 WEST SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF ACADIA SERVICES DOES OCCUPY THE ENTIRE BUILDING AT 351.

THIS IS JUST A SITE PLAN SHOWING THEIR SETBACK FROM SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD.

IT'S A LITTLE OVER 100FT.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED SIGN THEY DO HAVE.

THERE IS ACTUALLY AN ADDITIONAL OPTION THAT WAS PRESENTED THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE STAFF TODAY, BUT THE FIRST TWO OPTIONS, BOTH WILL LOOK LIKE THIS ESSENTIALLY ON THE BUILDING, AND THEN THIS IS OPTION A, THE TWO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SIGNS.

I'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, BUT FOR BOTH SIGNS, THE VARIANCES ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME.

THEY'RE REQUESTING A SIGN THAT TECHNICALLY IS ON THE SECOND STORY, AND WE DON'T ALLOW UPPER STORY SIGNS UNLESS THEY'RE UNDER A MASTER SIGN PLAN OR WITH CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL, AND SINCE THIS IS JUST OVER, THE WAY THAT THE BUILDING IS DESIGNED, THIS IS TECHNICALLY A SECOND STORY SIGN.

THE SIGN TYPE IS FOR THIS PARTICULAR FOR OPTION A IS A HALO LIT CHANNEL LETTERS WITH A SIGN BACKER AND SIGN BACKER IS NOT ALLOWED AND THEN FOR THE OPTION B, IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME SIGN.

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT IT HAS FRONT LIT CHANNEL LETTERS WITH A SIGN BACKER, AND THEN FOR OPTION C, IT'S JUST BASICALLY THE SAME SIGN, BUT THEY'RE SHOWING IT UP

[B. Pledge of Allegiance]

THIS IS A VIEW FROM SOUTHLAKE BOULEVARD, AND THESE ARE JUST ADJACENT SIGNS.

THESE ARE SIGNS ACROSS THE STREET BICENTENNIAL RETAIL PLAZA.

THIS IS THE BUILDING EAST OF THE PROPERTY, COMPLETE CARE AND WEST OF THE PROPERTY, THE GOLDEN TRIANGLE ANIMAL HOSPITAL.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. MAYBE JUST TO TRY TO SUCCINCTLY SUMMARIZE AND THANK YOU.

[A. Livestream the Board Meeting: https://tinyurl.com/sccboardmeeting]

SO THAT JUST KIND OF IS WHAT IT IS, AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE FORMAT OF THE SIGN THAT'S BEING OFFERED WITH A BACKER ON IT, THAT'S BECAUSE OF THEIR SPECIFIC LOGO DESIRES, AND THE OPTIONS ARE REALLY JUST MORE AT NIGHT, WE WANT IT LIT UP NEUTRAL OR NOT.

SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US THIS EVENING.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ABOUT THAT? YES. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

SO THE BACKER IS REALLY A LOGO, RIGHT? YES. IT JUST APPEARS AS IT FALLS UNDER THE CATEGORY OF BEING A BACKER RATHER THAN A LOGO.

YEAH. OKAY.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE CALL UP THE APPLICANT?

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WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE APPLICANT UP FOR THIS ITEM.

[A. Announcement of new alternate Student Board Member]

DICK CASSIDY, I'M THE OWNER OF IMAGE 212.

OKAY. NAME AND ADDRESS OR ADDRESS? DICK CASSIDY, MY BUSINESS ADDRESS 4451 DALE EARNHARDT IN NORTHLAKE.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WE CAN MAYBE DELIBERATE THIS AFTER WE'RE DONE WITH THEM, BUT ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW.

WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP. WE'RE GOING TO JUST GO AHEAD AND DELIBERATE IT, AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE ARRIVE AT, WE CAN CALL YOU BACK UP AND LET YOU ASK QUESTIONS OR COMMENT. DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

OKAY. I MEAN, I GUESS I WOULD SAY JUST PERSONALLY, WE'LL JUST SEE WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS.

WELL, I THINK THE SIGN MAYBE LOOKS BETTER, HIGHER UP.

I'M NOT NECESSARILY OF THE OPINION THAT I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO INSTRUCT HIM WHERE IT GOES.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE BACKER SIGN IS THEIR DESIRE RELATIVE TO THEIR LOGO, AND I THINK THE COMMENT WAS THAT THEY CAN'T DO THEIR LOGO WITHOUT IT BEING A BACKER.

SO GIVEN THE SIZE OF IT, I'M FINE WITH IT, BUT I THINK I'D PREFER THE NEUTRAL LIGHTING UP AT NIGHT, BUT I GUESS WE CAN LET OTHERS JUMP IN AS THE OPINIONS FLY HERE AND SEE WHAT WE THINK.

WELL, IN MY OPINION, THE SIGN IS FINE.

I PREFER MORE OF A NEUTRAL COLOR TOO, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE THE PURPOSE IN THE LOGO.

YOU'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO BE ABLE TO PICK IT OUT.

IT'S GOING TO BRING NOTHING TO THEIR PRODUCT OR BRAND RECOGNITION AND THAT'S THE PART THAT STRICTLY GOES AGAINST THE SIGN ORDINANCE.

SO I JUST DON'T REALLY SEE WHERE THERE'S A BIG BENEFIT FOR THE LOGO SLASH BACKER.

OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS, THOUGHTS, COMMISSIONERS? YEAH, I KIND OF THINK...I DON'T KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT BETWEEN OPTION A AND B, WHETHER IT'S THE LIGHT, YOU KNOW, THE LIGHT UP FRONT OR NOT.

SO I'M OPEN TO OTHER'S THOUGHTS AROUND THAT.

I'M KIND OF FAVORING A I DO LIKE IT BEING JUST ABOVE THE DOOR RATHER THAN ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.

SO A IS MORE FAVORABLE THAN C I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION AROUND THE LOGO, THE BACKER DOESN'T EVEN FEEL LIKE A TRUE BACKER BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE C AND THE D AND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE A AND I WONDER IF THAT LAST A WILL LOOK KIND OF FUNNY BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S INTENTIONALLY SMALLER TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOGO IF YOU REMOVE THE BACKER.

OKAY.

HIT THE RIGHT BUTTON SO THAT I'VE GOT A MICROPHONE.

I SHARE COMMISSIONER REYNOLDS' COMMENT ABOUT LOCATION.

I THINK IF YOU TRY TO PLACE IT UP HIGHER, THE SIGN WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO BE A BIGGER SIGN GIVEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE VANTAGE POINT AS YOU DRIVE DOWN THE HIGHWAY OR AS YOU DRIVE DOWN 1709.

SO I PREFER IT OVER THE DOOR.

YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN A BUILDING THAT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A STRUGGLE.

I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY EITHER WAY ON THE BACKER, BUT I GUESS I WOULD HAVE A QUESTION.

[A. Student of the Year Recognition of Tallulah Hogan, a student in the SCCOE Special Education Program at Leigh High School]

I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S AN OPTICAL ILLUSION, REALLY.

I THINK THEY'RE THE SAME SIZE.

BOTH A'S ARE, IT JUST LOOKS SMALLER BECAUSE OF THE PINE TREES IN THE BACK.

THE VERY FIRST A IS LARGER AND THEN THE SECOND AND THIRD ARE THE SAME SIZE AS THE REST OF THE SIGN, CORRECT? YEAH. OKAY. YEP.

PERFECT. OKAY. NO, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

I CAN GET YOU THE EXACT MEASUREMENTS IF YOU NEED.

OKAY. NO, YEAH, I APPRECIATE IT.

WE'LL LET YOU KNOW. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER? YEAH, FRANKLY, I LIKE VERSION A, THE BACKER DOESN'T BOTHER ME.

IF YOU. IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW A COLOR, IT MIGHT AS WELL BE DRAGON GREEN OR BURNT ORANGE , [CHUCKLING] BUT HARDER TO JUSTIFY THAT. YEAH THAT MOTION MIGHT ONLY GARNER TWO VOTES UP HERE BUT I AGREE WITH YOU.

IF IT'S UNOBTRUSIVE, I THINK IT'S FINE.

OKAY. MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, WHAT DO YOU--I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I'M GOOD WITH A AS WELL, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO TAKE BOTH OPTIONS TO COUNCIL, WHICH I'M ASSUMING THEY WOULD DO ANYWAY.

OKAY, SO IF I'M HEARING KIND OF A COALESCING HERE, IT SOUNDS LIKE NOT OPTION C, THE THE A OR B IN TERMS OF LOWER, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THERE'S MORE SUPPORT FOR A THAN B, A BEING THE DRAGON GREEN OPTION, I GUESS IS WHAT WE'LL CALL IT.

IS THAT IS THAT FAIR?

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ANY QUESTIONS OR IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GOOD.

I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE GOOD UP HERE UNLESS.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY.

SO, ALL RIGHT, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE ON A MOTION AND SEE SEE HOW IT GOES? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.

ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR AGENDA, SV23-0003, SUBJECT TO OUR STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 3RD, 2023, AND NOTING RECOMMENDATION OF OPTION A AND ENCOURAGING THE APPLICANT TO AGAIN TAKE ALL OPTIONS TO COUNCIL.

OKAY, I MIGHT JUST NOTE THIS DRAGON GREEN MOTION THERE.

YES, AND ALSO NOTING THAT THE COLOR IS SPECIFICALLY ON OPTION A DRAGON GREEN.

OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

OKAY, LET'S VOTE, PLEASE, AND THE MOTION PASSES 5 TO 1, AND MAYBE JUST SOME QUICK ADVICE.

I WOULD AS THE VICE CHAIRMAN SAID, I WOULD BRING ALL THE OPTIONS BACK TO COUNCIL BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEIR OPINIONS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN OURS, I GUESS.

STAFF, I GUESS MAYBE IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAYBE IN THE REPORT YOU COULD MAYBE NOTE THAT OUR CONVERSATION SOUNDS LIKE THERE WAS CONSENSUS FOR THE LOWER VERSION VERSUS THE HIGHER VERSION. A LITTLE BIT OF DISAGREEMENT ON BETWEEN A AND B, BUT A HAD MORE SUPPORT THAN B, AND I'LL DEFER TO YOU ON THE DRAGON GREEN COMMENT, BUT JUST SO THEY HAVE THE CONTEXT.

SO CONGRATULATIONS.

GOOD LUCK AT THE NEXT LEVEL.

I'D BRING THOSE OPTIONS JUST IN CASE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS.

YOU'LL HAVE THEM READY TO GO AND THAT WAY THEY DON'T HAVE TO GUESS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

[A. At this time, members of the public may address the Board on any issue within the subject matter jurisdiction of the Board that is not listed on this agenda. Members of the public may also address the Board on an agenda item before or during the Board's consideration of the item.]

SO GOOD LUCK.

OKAY. LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING, ITEM SEVEN SIGN VARIANTS FOR XO MARRIAGE LOCATED ON GRACE LANE HERE IN SOUTHLAKE.

THIS IS SV23-0004.

POGUE CONSTRUCTION ON BEHALF OF XO MARRIAGE IS REQUESTING CONSIDERATION OF VARIANCES FOR THREE ATTACHED BUILDING SIGNS, A MONUMENT SIGN, A DIRECTIONAL SIGN AND A SCULPTURE SIGN AND THIS IS AT 1021 GRACE LANE.

THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY ROUGHLY AT THE CORNER OF GRACE LANE AND EAST KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD, AND THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

THIS IS SHOWING THE LOCATION OF ALL THE DIFFERENT SIGNS.

THERE'S THE THREE ATTACHED BUILDING SIGNS.

MONUMENT SIGN, ANOTHER MONUMENT SIGN, AND THIS SCULPTURE IS RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE.

SO THE FIRST SIGN IS FOR THE NORTH ELEVATION.

THE VARIANCES FOR THIS, AGAIN, FOR SIGN PLACEMENT, UPPER STORY SIGNS ARE ONLY ALLOWED WITH CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OR AS PART OF A MASTER SIGN PLAN , AND ALSO THEY ARE REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR LETTER HEIGHT.

AT THIS LOCATION,.THEY'RE ALLOWED 16.7IN BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OVER 100FT SETBACK FROM KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD AND THE MAXIMUM LETTER HEIGHT THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING FOR THIS IN THE X AND THE O IS 57IN.

THEY ARE WITHIN THE SIGN AREA AND THE SIGN WIDTH FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, AND I'LL JUST ALSO NOTE THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE ASKING FOR THREE ATTACHED BUILDING SIGNS, THAT IS ALSO A VARIANCE.

WE ONLY ALLOW TWO--SIGN ORDINANCE ONLY ALLOWS TO ATTACH BUILDING SIGNS PER LOCATION.

THE SECOND SIGN ON THE EAST ELEVATION AGAIN THIS FOR SIGN PLACEMENT FOR AN UPPER STORY SIGN, ALSO FOR SIGN PLACEMENT.

THE SIGN IS NOT WITHIN THE MIDDLE 75%.

IT'S RIGHT JUSTIFIED.

THEY ARE ALSO REQUESTING VARIANCES FOR LETTER HEIGHT.

IN THIS LOCATION, THEY'RE ALLOWED 24-INCH LETTERS.

THE MAXIMUM LETTER HEIGHT THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS 57IN, AND FOR THIS PARTICULAR SIDE, THIS ELEVATION, THEY ARE ONLY ALLOWED 49FT² BECAUSE IT'S A NARROWER ELEVATION ON THIS SIDE.

THE SIGN AREA REQUESTED IS 54FT², AND THE THIRD ATTACHED BUILDING SIGN AGAIN REQUESTING VARIANCES FOR SIGN PLACEMENT FOR UPPER STORY SIGN AND ALSO FOR THE RIGHT JUSTIFIED PLACEMENT.

THE MAXIMUM LETTER HEIGHT ON THIS ELEVATION IS 24IN AND THEY ARE REQUESTING A MAXIMUM LETTER HEIGHT OF 57IN.

ALSO FOR SIGN AREA THEY ARE PERMITTED.

WHOOPS. THAT'S NOT CORRECT.

I'M SORRY. THE SIGN AREA, THEY ARE ALLOWED 112FT² AND THEY ARE REQUESTING 93.5FT² FOR THIS PARTICULAR SIGN.

SO THAT ACTUALLY SHOULD NOT BE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.

I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.

THEY ARE ALSO REQUESTING TWO GROUND OR MONUMENT SIGNS.

THIS ONE IS LOCATED ALONG GRACE LANE.

MONUMENT SIGNS ARE REQUIRED TO BE MADE OF BRICK, STONE OR MASONRY.

THIS PARTICULAR SIGN IS ACTUALLY ALUMINUM METAL TUBES.

IT'S HARD TO TELL IN THIS RENDERING, BUT YOU CAN ACTUALLY KIND OF SEE IN BETWEEN THESE TUBES, AND WE DO REQUIRE

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IT'S JUST EXTERNAL ILLUMINATION.

IT'S NOT INTERNAL ILLUMINATION.

SO THAT ACTUALLY WILL NOT BE PART OF THE VARIANCE REQUEST, AND FOR SIGN WIDTH, THEY ARE ALLOWED 13FT.

THIS PARTICULAR SIGN IS 15FT AND TEN INCHES.

THEY WERE WITHIN THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SIGN HEIGHT AND ALSO FOR SIGN AREA.

THEY ARE ALSO REQUESTING A DIRECTIONAL SIGN ON KIRKWOOD BOULEVARD.

AGAIN, IT'S MADE OF ALUMINUM METAL TUBES.

FOR A DIRECTIONAL SIGN, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS THREE FEET.

THIS PARTICULAR SIGN IS THREE FEET, SIX INCHES, AND DIRECTIONAL SIGNS ARE LIMITED TO A SIGN AREA, A STRUCTURE AREA OF TEN SQUARE FEET.

THE SIGN STRUCTURE AREA OF THIS PARTICULAR SIGN IS 28.5FT² AND ALSO A SIGN FACE AREA IS LIMITED TO FOUR SQUARE FEET AND THEY ARE REQUESTING 8.5FT² , AND THEN THE FINAL SIGN.

THIS IS JUST SIMPLY NOT A PARTICULARLY ALLOWED SIGN TYPE, BUT COMPARING IT TO A MONUMENT SIGN.

MONUMENT SIGNS, AGAIN, ARE REQUIRED TO BE BRICK, STONE OR MASONRY, AND THIS IS AN ALUMINUM METAL SIGN.

IT DOESN'T HAVE ADDRESS NUMBERS, BUT IT'S MORE OF A SCULPTURE AND MONUMENT SIGN MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS SIX FEET SIX INCHES.

THIS SIGN WILL BE EIGHT FEET, SIX INCHES, INCLUDING THE PLANTING BASE, AND THE LETTERS THEMSELVES ARE SIX FEET TALL.

THE SIGN AREA IS 71FT², AND FOR A STANDARD MONUMENT SIGN, THE MAXIMUM AREA IS 50FT².

[A. Interdistrict Transfer Appeal Training]

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

HAVE WE APPROVED OR HAS THE SIGN BOARD PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THE ALUMINUM, WHAT WAS IT CALLED, ALUMINUM METAL TUBES? WE HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE.

IN THE CITY AT ALL? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY SIGNS SIMILAR TO THIS IN THE CITY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HEAR THE APPLICANT NOW ON THIS ONE, IF THAT'S OKAY.

PLEASE STATE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AGAIN, AND I THINK WE CAN JUST DO Q AND A IF THERE'S MAYBE JUST A QUICK COMMENT YOU WANT TO MAKE ABOUT THE THEME OR GOAL THAT YOU'RE GOING FOR HERE.

GO AHEAD. SURE. MY NAME IS RON BROWN.

I'M WITH PARK HILL.

WE'RE THE ARCHITECT AND ENGINEERING FIRM FOR THE PROJECT.

BUSINESS ADDRESS IS 3000 INTERNET DR #550 IN FRISCO, TEXAS.

[INAUDIBLE] SMITH IS ALSO HERE WITH XO MARRIAGE.

SO THE ONE THING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ON THE LETTER HEIGHTS IS THEIR GRAPHIC LOGO IS THE XO. SO LIKE THE SOUTHLAKE DRAGON EMBLEM IS AN IMAGE, THEIR IMAGE IS THE X AND THE O. SO EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE LETTERS, THAT'S THEIR GRAPHIC IMAGE.

SO, TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAXIMUM LETTER HEIGHTS, THAT HAPPENS TO BE THEIR GRAPHIC LOGO IN ADDITION TO THEY JUST HAPPEN TO BE LETTERS, AND AS FAR AS THE QUANTITY OF SIGNS AND THE BLUE AND THE WHITE WAVE IS PART OF THEIR WHAT DO I WANT TO CALL THAT? WHAT'S THAT? BRANDING.

YES, THEIR BRANDING IMAGING, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT BLUE AND WHITE WAVE TYPE DESIGN ON THE MONUMENT SIGN COMES FROM AND THE BASICALLY IT'S ALUMINUM TUBE PICKETS THAT WOULD HAVE A HIGH QUALITY FINISH ON THEM.

IT'LL LAST FOR A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME WITHIN THE LETTER, LOGO AND SIGNAGE ATTACHED TO THAT, AND ALL OF THOSE WILL HAVE GRADE MOUNTED LIGHTS THAT ILLUMINATE THE ADDRESS AND THE TEXT THAT'S ON THOSE SIGNS.

OKAY. I GUESS, BEFORE WE DELIBERATE, WE'D MAYBE ASK THE APPLICANT ANY QUESTIONS, THEN WE'LL DELIBERATE LATER, BUT ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, JUST ONE QUESTION.

I THINK I RECALL WHEN THIS FIRST CAME THROUGH FOR THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR DOING THE BUILDING IN GENERAL, IT WAS THE FIRST COUPLE FLOORS THAT XO WAS GOING TO OCCUPY AND THEN THE TOP FLOOR THEY WERE GOING TO TRY TO LEASE TO THIRD PARTIES.

IS THAT STILL THE--THE TOP FLOOR IS VACANT SHELL SPACE.

THE LIKELIHOOD IS THAT XO WILL EXPAND INTO THAT THEMSELVES AND IT WILL BE OCCUPIED BY THEM, BUT I WOULD DEFER TO YOU, BUT I BELIEVE AT ONE TIME THEY HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT BEING LEASED SPACE BUT THEY ARE GROWING AT A RATE THAT THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT WILL EVER BE LEASED OUT, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO OCCUPY IT

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OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW.

WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP IF, AFTER DELIBERATION, WE NEED SOME EXPLANATION.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MAYBE WE'LL JUST TAKE THIS ONE BY ONE AS USUAL, STARTING ON THE FIRST PAGE, JUST GOING TO NUMBER OF ATTACHED SIGNS, THREE VERSUS TWO.

ANY OBJECTIONS THERE? I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO THAT.

THIS THING IS.

I'M TRYING TO AVOID ANOTHER THREE LETTER WORD THAT WE MADE A BIG MISTAKE ON AND NOT REPEAT THAT.

SO AND ESPECIALLY PUTTING IT ON THREE TIMES, JUST I MEAN, WE MADE THE MISTAKE OF PUTTING THE OTHER ONE ON TWICE, AND I THINK THIS IS JUST GOING TOO FAR, AND IF THEY DO DECIDE TO RENT THIS OUT, THEN WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY ELSE WHO'S WANTING THEIR SIGN ON THERE.

I MEAN, AND PLUS, I DON'T REALLY SEE THE POINT IN HAVING THIS GLARING SIGN ON THREE CORNERS OF THE BUILDING.

OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINIONS ON THREE VERSES TWO.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SPRINGER ON THIS ONE.

OKAY. ANY OTHER? YEAH, SPECIFICALLY THE ONE GOING EAST.

I FEEL LIKE THAT'S NOT NEEDED AT ALL IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO [INAUDIBLE] NORTH AND SOUTH, BUT THEN JUST THE SIZE, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SPRINGER JUST I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT FIVE FEET. YEAH, LET'S COME BACK TO THAT ONE.

OKAY. WE'LL GO ONE BY ONE ON THAT, BUT JUST THREE VERSES TWO SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT AT LEAST THREE OUT OF FIVE HERE.

I'M NOT REALLY, AND MAYBE I'M NOT HAVING AN APPRECIATION FOR HOW THE BUILDING IS SITUATED RELATIVE TO NORTH AND SOUTH.

BUT I'M NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE NEED FOR A SIGN ON THE NORTH SIDE IN THIS CASE.

MY THOUGHT HERE IS IF THERE'S ENOUGH CONSENSUS, I GUESS BEFORE I'M EVEN ASKING THE VICE CHAIR HERE, BUT MAYBE THE THOUGHT IS WE'D STILL LIKE TO, BUT THEY CAN SELECT WHICH TWO THEY'D LIKE TO KEEP, SINCE THEY'LL PROBABLY HAVE A STRONGER OPINION ABOUT THAT THAN WE WILL.

OKAY, SO MAYBE WE START THERE.

MR. VICE CHAIR, GOING ON TO NORTH ELEVATION AND THIS GETS TO WHAT SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS WERE SAYING IN TERMS OF SIZE, NORTH ELEVATION, EAST ELEVATION, KIND OF SOMEWHAT THE SAME THING, AND THEN SOUTH ELEVATION, SOME OF THE BASICALLY SIGN SIZE OR PARDON ME, I MEAN, I GUESS YOU'VE GOT UPPER STORY SIGNAGE.

I'M NOT SURE I'M GOING TO GUESS WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT JUST GIVEN THAT'S INHERENT WITHIN OUR ORDINANCES [INAUDIBLE] IS A VIOLATION, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A THREE STORY BUILDING.

SO I ASSUME WE'RE OKAY THERE, AND LET'S JUST FOCUS MORE ON SIZE AND MAYBE NOT FOCUS SO MUCH.

I MEAN, DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN OBJECTION WITH PLACEMENT? LET'S NOT GET INTO SIZE, BUT I MEAN PLACEMENT.

OKAY, LET'S JUST FOCUS ON SIZE THEN FOR NORTH, EAST AND SOUTH, ANY THOUGHTS THERE. AT THE RISK OF SOUNDING LIKE COMMISSIONER SPRINGER, I DON'T SEE YOU IDENTIFY THE BUILDING OR IDENTIFY THE BUSINESS.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE GIANT LETTERS DO.

YOU PRETTY MUCH KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING.

YOU'VE GOT AN APPOINTMENT TO GO IN.

THERE'S NO DRIVE IN BUSINESS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY NEED THREE TIMES THE LETTER SIZE.

YOU KNOW, JUST AS A COMMENT AND IT'S LIKE, YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE LETTER HEIGHTS A LITTLE BIT OVER TWO TIMES IF I'M LOOKING AT IT.

RIGHT, AND THAT'S THE PRIMARY.

WELL, OH, SORRY. YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

ON THE NORTH ONE, IT'S THREE TIMES.

SO GO AHEAD.

SORRY. WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT A FAIR AMOUNT UP HERE IS THE SCALE OF ASSIGNED TO THE BUILDING, AND I THINK THIS IS TOTALLY OUT OF PROPORTION, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR SIGN THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW THAT SITS UP ABOVE.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CANTILEVER OR WHAT IT IS THERE, BUT EVEN THE NORTH ELEVATION, IT'S JUST AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, TOO, WITH THE APPLICANT TO DECIDE WHICH THEY'D LIKE TO PURSUE, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S OUT OF SCALE.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT DOWN, NOT NECESSARILY TO THE MINIMUM THAT'S DEFINED IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT TO SOMETHING THAT SCALES BETTER THAN WHAT I SEE RIGHT NOW.

SO WOULD MAYBE AN AMENABLE OUTCOME HERE RATHER THAN THE REQUESTED 57 ON ALL THREE BE SOMETHING LESS THAN THAT, WHETHER IT'S 40 OR 35? I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT. YEAH, SOMETHING CLOSER TO 35.

OKAY. OKAY, LET'S RECOMMEND THAT AND THEN THAT'S SOMETHING JUST THE APPLICANT AS YOU'RE LISTENING AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL YOU BACK UP HERE SO YOU CAN KIND OF COMMENT ON SOME OF THIS IN A SECOND.

YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU CAN DO IN THE NEXT STEP OF THE PROCESS IS IF WE RECOMMEND 35, YOU CAN BRING RENDERINGS THAT SHOW 35.

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SO LET'S JUST GO WITH 35 ON ANY OF THE THREE, NOTING THAT, OF COURSE, I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION WILL BE ONLY TWO OF THE THREE, BUT ALL THE OTHER ORDINANCE VARIANCES ON THOSE WOULD BE OKAY.

NOW MOVING TO THE GRACE LANE MONUMENT SIGNAGE.

WHAT ABOUT THE SIGN AREA? IS EVERYBODY OKAY? I MEAN, IF WE REDUCE THE SIGN MAX LETTER HEIGHT DOWN, I GUESS.

DO WE JUST WANT TO? I GUESS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF ITSELF.

MAYBE WHAT WE DO THERE.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT IS WE JUST DENY THE VARIANCES FOR THAT BECAUSE THEORETICALLY WE WON'T NEED THEM IF THEY'RE SMALLER AND THEY CAN OBVIOUSLY TALK TO COUNCIL ABOUT THAT IF THEY WANT IT LARGER AND THAT WILL BE A NEW VARIANCE.

SO GOOD CATCH.

OKAY. GRACE LANE MONUMENT SIGNS, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT MATERIAL.

SOMEWHAT SIZE AS WELL, BUT MORE OF THE MATERIAL, MAYBE, ALTHOUGH WE CAN TALK ABOUT SIZE AS WELL.

JUST COMMENTS ABOUT THIS, I GUESS SOMEWHAT UNIQUE DESIGN FOR [INAUDIBLE].

I GUESS IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S KIND OF THEIR LOGO, SO TO SPEAK, OR BRANDING, I GUESS.

YEAH I REALLY WANT TO FAVOR OUR CODE HERE, YOU KNOW, STONE, MASONRY, BRICK.

CAN I ASK STAFF A QUICK QUESTION? I WAS THINKING OF THIS EARLIER.

OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, AND DENNIS, SINCE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING, I FEEL CONFIDENT ASKING THIS QUESTION.

THE MATERIALS FOR BOTH THE WESTIN THAT'S NEARBY AND THE CHURCH FOR ANY OF THE MONUMENT SIGNS WERE THOSE CONSISTENT WITH THE ORDINANCE? DO YOU KNOW? I BELIEVE THEY DEVIATED SOME AND USE OF METAL PANELS ON SOME OF THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS.

THE GATEWAY CHURCH, I THINK INTERNALLY HAS SOME DIRECTIONAL SIGNS THAT ARE UNIQUE TO THEIR CAMPUS THAT AREN'T MASONRY. WHAT ABOUT THE MAJOR? THE MAIN MONUMENT SIGNS I DO BELIEVE WERE CONFORMING.

I MEAN, THEIR MASONRY IN THEIR STRUCTURE, THAT MIGHT BE [INAUDIBLE] THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING HELPFUL TO INCLUDE FOR COUNCIL, JUST SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE THE THEME OF WHAT PEOPLE WILL SEE WHEN THEY DRIVE THROUGH THERE, BUT SORRY.

GO AHEAD. YEAH, MY RECOLLECTION IS THOSE ARE JUST DIRECTIONAL, BUT MONUMENT THERE.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SIZE, BUT IN TERMS OF MATERIALS CONFORMING.

YEAH, I JUST THINK THIS IS IT SEEMS OUT OF PLACE.

IT DOESN'T REALLY FIT WITH ANYTHING AROUND IT, AND I THINK WE NEED OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT.

YEAH, IT'S THE MATERIAL.

I REALLY DON'T CARE FOR THAT AT ALL.

I'D RATHER STICK WITH OUR CODE ON THAT AS FAR AS BEING CONSISTENT.

OKAY, AND THEN REALLY QUICKLY, I MEAN, THE SIGN WIDTH IS A LITTLE OFF.

I GUESS WOULD EVERYBODY WANT TO GO BACK TO THE ORDINANCE ON THAT OR 13 VERSUS 15? I DO. I THINK WHEN YOU START TO GET IT JUST FEELS KIND OF COMMISSIONER ROTHMEIER'S POINT ABOUT SIGNS ON THE BUILDING.

I ALSO THINK MONUMENT SIGNS NEED TO BE SOMEWHAT PROPORTIONATE.

IT'S HARDER TO VARY, RIGHT? BUT IT JUST FEELS LIKE.

IT'S NOT A VERY BIG BUILDING, YOU KNOW.

I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ENORMOUS.

SO BOTH MATERIALS I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYTHING ON THOSE.

IT'S A STRIKE ALL THE VARIANCES ON THE TWO MONUMENTS, MONUMENT AND DIRECTIONAL SIGNS.

SORRY, I WANT TO BE CLEAR.

OKAY. LAST SIGN, SCULPTURE SIGN.

I'M FINE WITH THAT.

IT'S A SCULPTURE.

IT'S NOT REALLY A SIGN, AND MAYBE JUST TO ASK STAFF A QUESTION.

SO JUST IT MAY SOUND SILLY, BUT I MEAN, IF THIS WAS JUST A SCULPTURE OF A PERSON STANDING IN FRONT OF THERE, WOULD WE BE IN HERE TALKING ABOUT IT? YOU KNOW, IF IT'S DAVID SITTING THERE THINKING OR WHATEVER, I MEAN, WOULD WE BE TALKING ABOUT IT OR IS IT ONLY BECAUSE IT HAPPENS, AS THE APPLICANT SAID, JUST HAPPENS TO BE LETTERS? OH, DID I STOMP YOU, DENNIS? YEAH. WELL, I THINK IT DEPENDS.

IS THAT AN ANSWER? [CHUCKLING] YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF STREET CRED, DENNIS, SO WE'LL GIVE YOU CREDIT FOR THAT.

THAT'S FAIR. I AM ASKING KIND OF A VAGUE QUESTION, BUT MAYBE WE'LL JUST TRY TO TACKLE IT ANYWAY, I GUESS OTHER PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS.

[00:30:04]

THE DRAGON THAT SITS IN FRONT OF CAMBRIA SUITES I THINK THAT PROBABLY EXCEEDS THE SITE, THE HEIGHT OF WHAT THIS IS TO COMMISSIONER DYCHE'S COMMENT ABOUT THIS BEING MORE OF A SCULPTURE TYPE WAS DONE UNDER THEIR SITE PLAN DISTRICT ZONING.

THEY IDENTIFIED A SPOT FOR THAT ART PIECE THAT ALLOWED THEM TO ADD THAT SCULPTURE ONCE IT WAS COMMISSIONED AND CREATED.

SO IT WAS PART OF THEIR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS ON? I DON'T REALLY SEE THIS BEING MUCH DIFFERENT THAN OUR SCULPTURES THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY AT THE ROUNDABOUTS.

YOU KNOW, OF COURSE IT'S THEIR LOGO, BUT I STILL THINK THAT IT IS VALID IN THAT ASPECT.

OKAY, SO NO FEEDBACK ON SIGN HEIGHT OR SIGN AREA OR ANYTHING IN TERMS OF SIZE.

IS EVERYBODY GOOD ON THAT? I'M GETTING NODS. OKAY.

SO JUST TO SUMMARIZE REAL QUICKLY AND I'LL GO KIND OF START FROM THERE AND GO BACKWARDS.

SOUNDS LIKE SCULPTURE SIGN WE'RE OKAY WITH ALL THE VARIANCES REQUESTED DIRECTIONAL AND MONUMENT SIGNS, WE'RE NOT OKAY WITH ANY OF THE VARIANCES REQUESTED.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S CORRECT, AND THEN BACK TO THE ELEVATION SIGNS.

WE'RE ONLY FINE WITH TWO, NOT THREE.

SO I THINK BASICALLY THERE IS NO VARIANCE GRANTED THERE AS WELL, AND THEY'LL GET THE CHANCE TO PICK WHICH TWO THEY WOULD LIKE. OF ALL THREE OF THEM, POTENTIAL THREE OPTIONS WE'RE LIMITING THE MAX LETTER HEIGHT TO 35IN IN A VARIANCE REQUEST OR VARIANCE APPROVAL, AND OTHERWISE ARE FINE WITH THE OTHER VARIANCES REQUESTED.

OH NO VARIANCE REQUEST ON SIZE AREA.

SO DID I CAPTURE IT ALL? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

APPLICANT I GUESS DO YOU MIND COMING BACK UP REAL QUICK AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND JUST UNDERSTAND THIS IS THIS WOULD BE POTENTIALLY OUR RECOMMENDATION. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN FROM HERE ASSUMING IT'S APPROVED IS IT WOULD GO TO CITY COUNCIL.

YOU COULD YOU KNOW, STAFF WILL BRING OUR RECOMMENDATION.

YOU CAN STILL KIND OF BRING YOUR RECOMMENDATION, AND SO LIKE AS AN EXAMPLE BEING YOU COULD BRING AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT A MONUMENT SIGN WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH BRICK, STONE, OR MASONRY, AND YOU CAN SHOW BOTH AND PLEAD YOUR CASE TO CITY COUNCIL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DISAGREE WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION.

YOU RATHER HAVE THIS OR THAT, BUT THAT WAY THEY HAVE THE OPTIONS TO PICK FROM AND THEN YOU'LL GET OBVIOUSLY A RULING FROM THEM AS WELL, BUT ANY KIND OF QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON ANYTHING YOU HEARD SO FAR? ONE COMMENT I DID WANT TO MAKE.

SOMEBODY HAD SAID, YOU ALREADY KNOW YOU HAVE AN APPOINTMENT THERE.

THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY TRUE.

THEY DO HOST A LOT OF CONFERENCES AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.

SO THEY DO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING TO THE BUILDING THAT WOULD NOT BE NECESSARILY EMPLOYEES OF THE COMPANY.

OKAY. NO, THAT'S FAIR, AND I THINK ANOTHER INTERESTING PIECE OF CONTEXT WILL BE WHEN STAFF INCLUDES IN THE REPORT JUST WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER MONUMENT SIGNS AROUND THERE ARE

[6. CONSENT ACTION ITEMS]

[A. Request Approval of Consent Action Items as listed in Item #6 Consent Action Items]

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT HERE? I HAD A POINT OF CLARITY AND DO YOU MIND SAYING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? [INAUDIBLE] SMITH AND I'M WITH XO MARRIAGE.

OKAY. WITH THE MONUMENT SIGNS, THE CURVATURE THAT IS ON THE TOP PART OF THE DESIGN, JUST CLARITY ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE, AND A PART OF THE VARIANCE, LIKE RON MENTIONED EARLIER, IT IS A PART OF OUR BRANDING.

LIKE IF YOU WERE TO GO TO OUR WEBSITE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THOSE CURVES.

YEAH, I THINK THE CURVATURE IS FINE SO LONG AS THE IT FALLS WITHIN.

I DON'T THINK WE WERE AMENABLE TO THE SIGN WIDTH VARIANCE.

SO AS LONG AS IT FALLS WITHIN 13FT AND NOT 15FT, TEN INCHES I THINK IN STAFF, JUMP IN AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK THE CURVATURE IS FINE.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

THE SIGN ORDINANCE DOES NOT REGULATE IF THERE'S SOME CURVATURE OR GEOMETRIC SHAPE TO THE SIGN.

IT DOES JUST REGULATE THE THE HEIGHT AND WIDTH POTENTIALLY AND AREA AND MATERIAL.

CORRECT. YES. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. OKAY.

WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DELIBERATE FINISH DELIBERATIONS, TAKE A VOTE, AND THEN LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. SEE IF YOU CAN EARN YOUR PAYCHECK TONIGHT ON THIS ONE.

[00:35:02]

[B. Request Approval of Minutes of Regular Board Meeting of March 1, 2023 (#2315)]

ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A NOD FROM DENNIS IN TERMS OF HIS APPROVAL THERE, AND OBVIOUSLY THESE MEETINGS, BY THE WAY, THEY'RE ALL RECORDED.

SO YOU CAN GO BACK AND WATCH THEM ONLINE.

IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT INTENT.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND.

LET'S ALL PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION PASSES, 6-0.

SO THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION.

IF YOU CHOOSE, YOU CAN MOVE THAT ALONG TO THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH STAFF WILL TELL YOU IS ON ONE OF MY FAVORITE STUMP THE STAFF QUESTIONS.

I THINK THE 21ST OF MARCH.

YOU'RE CORRECT. TUESDAY.

YES. OKAY. IF YOU'RE ABLE TO SUBMIT IT IN TIME, AND THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION.

AGAIN, I BRING ALL THE MATERIALS FOR THEM TO COMPARE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND THEN YOU'LL GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM [INAUDIBLE].

SO THANK YOU FOR COMING, AND A QUICK SHOUT OUT TO MY PARENTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY WATCHING TONIGHT.

THEY'RE PROBABLY THE ONLY PEOPLE WATCHING THIS MEETING TONIGHT.

SO LOVE YOU GUYS.

[CHUCKLING] THANK YOU FOR WATCHING, AND WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.